Did Yahushua the Messiah Preexist?

Could it be true that Yahushua the messiah preexisted prior to his becoming a fleshly man living on the earth?

Who was it that spoke to Moses and said:

I am the eloahi of your fathers, the eloahi of Abraham, the eloahi of Isaak, and the eloahi of Jacob. (Exod. 3:6)

In Exod. 3:7 this eloahi is identified as Yahweh. At the same time, this very eloahi is identified as an angel in Exod. 3:2! It even gets more interesting when you consult Acts 7:30-35.

What’s going on here? Are we to ignore these seeming anomalies or is there a grievous mistranslation taking place?

If you are willing to investigate further then it is highly suggested that you continue to read on as we delve into Scripures to uncover the truth of the matter.

There are at least 8 proofs contained in Scriptures that demonstrate that Yahushua preexisted as a ruach being or angel.

1. John the Baptist Testifies
Yahushua is explicitly said to have preexisted. John the baptist notified his followers that Yahushua existed “before me (John 1:29-34),” this despite the fact that John was conceived six months prior to Yahushua (Luke 1:24).

Yahushua himself told the Jews that he existed “before Abraham”:

Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad. The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Yahushua said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,  ἐγὼ εἰμί (ego eimiI am he.” (John 8:56-58)

Also, in a prayer to father Yahweh just prior to his death, Yahushua asked father Yahweh:

Now glorify me father with yourself, with the glory which I had with you before the world was made. (John 17:5)

2. Son of Eloahim
Yahushua is specifically identified as an eloah (θεός; deity) “manifested in flesh (1Tim. 3:16).” Thomas, for example, calls him, “my sovereign and my deity (eloah) (John 20:28).” The apostle John, in reference to Yahushua as the λογός (logos; innermost expression, word), writes:

In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with the deity (the father), and the logos was a deity. He was in beginning with the deity (the father) . . . And the logos became flesh, and tabernacled among us. (John 1:1-2, 14)

Paul twice makes the claim that Yahushua is one of the two deity (eloah) beings called Yahweh (i.e., Yahweh eloahi).

Paul, bondman of Yahweh and the apostle of Yahushua the messiah according to the trust of the elect of Yahweh and the knowledge of the truth which is according to piety; in the hope of eternal life, which the deity (the father) who cannot lie promised before the ages of time, but manifested in its own seasons his logos (word, innermost expression = the messiah) in the proclamation which I was entrusted with according to the commandment of our saviour the deity (Yahushua). (Titus 1:1-4)

For the grace of the deity (father Yahweh) which brings salvation appeared for all men, instructing us that, having denied impious and worldly desires, discreetly and righteously and piously we should live in the present age, awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great deity and saviour, Yahushua the messiah. (Titus 2:11-13)

Both Yahushua’s followers and others, as demonstrated by the ancient Shem Tob Hebrew edition of Matthew, either recognized or ridiculed his claim as to being בן אלקים (ben eloqim; son of eloahim), בן האלקים (ben ha-eloqim; son of the eloahim), בן האלוק (ben ha-eloq; son of the eloah), and בן האל (ben ha-el; son of the el).

All of these terms, whether singular or collective nouns, were translated into the Greek of the New Testament as singular forms of the Greek word for deity, namely, θεοῦ (theou), θεος (theos), etc.—thereby, calling him the “son of the deity,” knowledge of which was basic scriptural doctrine.

Indeed, Yahushua not only claimed that he was “the son of eloahim (John 10:36)” but also reported, “I and the father are one (akhad in Hebrew, i.e., unified).” At hearing his claim, the Jews wished to stone him (John 10:22-40). The grounds for this stoning were twofold.

The first charge was blasphemy (see SNY, chap. 13), because Yahushua said, “I am the son of eloahim.” Since Yahushua was also saying that he was unified with father Yahweh, the Jews understood his claim as “the son of eloahim” to mean that Yahushua was proclaiming himself to be the archangel carrying the sacred name, i.e., the second or lesser Yahweh.

To demonstrate the Jewish understanding during this period, the mid-first century C.E. Jewish priest and writer Philo writes:

But if there be any as yet unfit to be called the son of the θεοῦ (theou; deity) let him press to take his place under his (the deity’s) first-born, the logos (word, inner­most expression), who holds the eldership among the angels, their ARCHANGEL as it were. And many names are his, for he is called, “the beginning,” and (having) the name of the deity (i.e., the name Yahweh), and (being) his logos, and the man after his image, and “he that sees,” that is Israel. (Philo, De Confusione Linguarum, 28 §146)

Philo refers to this archangel as our “controlling guide, the divine logos” and adds:

For as long as he (mankind) falls short of perfection, he has the divine logos as his leader; since there is an oracle which says, “Lo, I send my ANGEL before your face, to guard you on your road, that he may bring you into the land which I have prepared for you: give heed to him, and hearken to him, disobey him not; for he will not withdraw from (i.e., pardon) you; FOR MY NAME IS IN HIM (Exodus 23:20-21).” (Philo, De Migratione Abrahami, 31 §174)

The last line in the Hebrew text more precisely reads, “for he will not forgive your transgressions; for my name is within his midst.”

The Jews, therefore, were fully aware of the archangel known as the son of the deity and the logos of father Yahweh. They clearly understood that there was an angel discussed in Exodus 23:20-23, who carried Yahweh’s name, who would or would not forgive their sins, and to whom the Israelites were to be obedient.

On this point both Jews and Christians of the first century C.E. agreed. The Jews differed from the Christians in that they did not believe that Yahushua, who they saw as only a mortal man, was the preexistent archangel Yahweh.

This disagreement brings us to the second charge made by the Jews against Yahushua: “AND because you, being a man, you make yourself a deity (John 10:33).” That is, by claiming that he and the father were unified, Yahushua was also making the claim that he was in fact a deity and also one of the members of Yahweh eloahi, for Yahweh eloahi is unified.

It should be noted that the term Yahweh eloahi strictly limits the inclusion of only those who are deities making up the ruling hierarchy of father Yahweh. Angels or ruach beings under Yahu-shua the messiah (Yahu Yahweh) and father Yahweh are not members of Yahweh eloahi.

Many Jews felt that his claim was impossible. How could Yahushua, since he was merely a mortal flesh-and-blood man, be the preexistent angel Yahweh, the son of eloahim (eloah, el), that is, the son of the deity?

The early Christians, of course, argued with the Jews that this preexistence of Yahushua as the angel Yahweh was precisely the case (see Justin Martyr Trypho, 56:4, 58:3; Tertullian Adversus Marcionem, 5:19:3; Eusebius, De Demonstratio Evangelica, 5:5, 6:1, Preparatio Evangelica, 7:12; Origen De Principiis, Pref., 1:4; Hippolytus Noetus, 5, 8, 14).

3. Created All Things By Means of Father
Yahushua was the creator under instructions from father Yahweh. By means of Yahushua, father Yahweh created all things (John 1:3-4, 10; Col. 1:15-18; Heb. 1:1-2; Eph. 3:8-9). It is said of father Yahweh, “because you did create all things, and for your will they are, and were created (Rev. 4:1-11).”

Therefore, father Yahweh was speaking to the preexistent Yahu-shua (Yahu Yahweh) when he commanded in Genesis:

Let US make man in our image. (Gen. 1:26)

These verses prove that father Yahweh did the creating, but the statement, “Let us make man in our image,” also shows that there was another being involved in the project. As Ephesians and Hebrews observe, the father created the world “through Yahushua the messiah.”

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in the deity (Yahweh), WHO CREATED ALL THINGS THROUGH YAHUSHUA MESSIAH. (Eph. 3:9)

But in these last days he has spoken to us by a son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, THROUGH WHO ALSO HE CREATED THE WORLDS. (Heb. 1:2).

The one providing the power and the instructions was father Yahweh and the one carrying out these orders was his son, the angel Yahu Yahweh, who later became Yahushua the messiah. As a result, Yahushua had to preexist as an eloah being and as part of the eloahi of the eloahim.

These eloahi of the eloahim, who are also simply called eloahim, created the world and all things in it (Gen. 1:1-2:4, 5:1-2; Deut. 4:32; Mal. 2:10).

4. Angel of the Covenant
Yahushua is identified with Yahu Yahweh. In a direct reference to Yahushua, John the baptist cites Isaiah, which states:

The voice of one calling in the wilderness, Prepare the road of Yahweh, make straight in the desert a highway for our eloahi. (Isaiah 40:3, quoted in Matthew 3:3; Mark, 1:3, compare with 14-15)

John’s comment, and his recognition that Yahushua had previously existed (John 1:29-34), reveals that John the baptist knew that Yahushua was Yahu Yahweh, the son of Yahweh.

Indeed, this fact is also revealed by Yahushua’s earthly names, Yahushua and Immanuel (Matt. 1:21-23). Yahushua means, “Yahu saves (see FSDY p.7, footnote 4),” for Yahushua was to save his people Israel (Matt. 1:21), and Immanu-el means, “el is with us,” Yahu Yahweh being the el (mighty one) of Israel.

In addition, Yahushua was the eloah called Yahweh who was seen by Abraham and the other patriarchs. This detail is uncovered by the fact that father Yahweh is the only being who has always been innately immortal. No human, except for the preexistent messiah, has either seen father Yahweh in his actual form or heard his actual voice at any time (John 1:18). No earthly man is capable of seeing him because father Yahweh dwells in unapproachable light (1Tim. 6:13-16).

On the other hand, the Yahweh with whom the patriarchs had contact was both personally seen by men, and his voice was heard by men. At the same time, Yahushua claimed that he and Abraham personally saw each other.

Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad. (John 8:56)

Accordingly, Yahu Yahweh was the eloah who made the Covenants of Promise containing the inheritance of eternal life with Abraham.

Yahu Yahweh was the angel Yahweh, the “angel of the covenant.”

Behold, I WILL SEND MY ANGEL, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the sovereign, whom you seek, shall suddenly come to this temple, even the ANGEL OF THE COVENANT, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Yahweh of hosts. (Mal. 3:1).

As another example, Yahushua, while healing a paralytic, forgave him of his sins. The Jews watching this immediately charged Yahushua with blasphemy, stating, “Who is able to forgive sins, except the deity (eloahi) alone?” Yahushua retorted by reaffirming his claim, stating that he forgave the man so that ”you may know that the son of man has authority on the earth to forgive sins (Mark 2:1-12).”

We know that the collective noun form “eloahi” is the correct translation of the Greek word θεός (theos; deity) in the above passage because the Jews were fully aware that both the angel Yahweh, as well as father Yahweh, could forgive sins (see Exod. 23:20-23). Indeed, only those who have the power to pass on something in a covenant contract can forgive those who sin under that covenant.

As John notes:

If we confess our sins, faithful he (Yahushua) is and righteous, that he may forgive our sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:7-9)

These statements clearly identify Yahushua with the angel Yahweh, who was the eloah who made the covenants with Abraham and the Israelites. He could forgive sins against these contracts because he authored them.

5. Yahushua Was Sent by Father Yahweh
Yahushua (Yahu Yahweh) was sent by father Yahweh out of heaven to do his will among men. Yahushua is several times reported to have been sent to earth by father Yahweh. Yahushua, for example, states:

For I have come down out of the heaven, not that I should do my will, but the will of him who sent me. (John 6:38)

In the book of Zechariah we read that one Yahweh will be sent to mankind by the other Yahweh.

Sing and rejoice daughter of Zion, for behold, I come and I WILL DWELL IN YOUR MIDST, SAYS YAHWEH; and many nations shall be joined to Yahweh in that day, and they will be to me for a people and I WILL DWELL IN YOUR MIDST, and you shall know that YAHWEH OF HOSTS HAS SENT ME TO YOU. (Zechariah 2:10-11)

In this passage, Yahweh the son will dwell in our midst. In that day many nations shall be joined to Yahweh the father and we shall know that Yahweh of hosts, i.e., father Yahweh, has sent him (Yahweh the son) to us.

Likewise, in Isaiah we once more find Yahweh speaking of another Yahweh. Yahweh states:

Come near to me; hear this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From the time of its being there I was; and now my sovereign YAHWEH HAS SENT ME, and (has sent) his ruach. Thus says Yahweh your redeemer, the sacred one of Israel, I am Yahweh your eloahi who teaches you to profit, leading you on the road you should go. (Isaiah 48:16)

This passage reveals that Yahweh existed at the beginning of creation, and now Yahweh his sovereign (i.e., the father Yahweh) has sent Yahweh and his ruach. The one being sent is, by definition, less than the one sending him. For this reason, Yahu Yahweh is often referred to as an angel (dispatched messenger), for he has been dispatched by father Yahweh to give humankind his messages.

Further, as Yahushua points out:

The servant is not greater than his sovereign nor a messenger greater than he who sent him. (John 13:16)

For that reason Yahushua reports, “my father is greater than I (John 14:28),” and when someone called him good he retorted, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except one, eloah (father Yahweh) (Matt. 19:16-17).”

A servant and a messenger do not go out to do their own work or send their own message. Instead, they do the work of their sovereign and speak the message of the one sending them. Yahushua, for example, notes, “For he whom eloah sent speaks the words of eloah (John 3:34).” Therefore, it is no surprise that Yahushua clarifies his own position relative to father Yahweh when he said:

THE FATHER WHO SENT ME himself gave me the commandment of what I should say and what I should speak. (John 12:49)

He reported back to father Yahweh, “for the words which you have given me I have given them (John 17:8).” With regard to the work Yahushua performed, he clearly stated that the many good works he showed were “from my father” and challenged those opposing him by saying, “If I do not do the works of my father do not trust me; but if I do, even if you do not trust me, trust the works (John 10:32, 37).”

The evidence proves that father Yahweh sent the angel Yahu Yahweh out of heaven down to earth to do his work and to bring his message to men. Since no man has been in the third heaven, where father Yahweh dwells, this can only mean that Yahushua preexisted as the angel Yahu Yahweh, sent from heaven to do the father’s bidding.

6. Yahushua Came Out of Heaven
Yahushua was sent by father Yahweh out of the heavens to become a fleshly human. To begin with, Yahushua described himself as the one “whom the father sanctified and sent into the world (John 10:36).” He tells us:

And no one (of human flesh) has gone up into the heavens EXCEPT HE WHO OUT OF THE HEAVENS has come down, the son of man who was in the heavens. (John 3:13)

Not that anyone (of human flesh) has seen the father, except he who is from Yahweh, he has seen the father. (John 6:46)

There is no scriptural statement, whatsoever, that Yahushua, while he was a fleshly man living on the earth, ever visited father Yahweh, who resides in the third heavens. Indeed, as a flesh-and-blood human he would be incapable of such a feat (John 3:13). Only the angels (ruach beings) can behold father Yahweh’s face (Matt. 18:10).

The comment that Yahushua is from the father, the unapproachable eloah, and has seen him points to the fact that he preexisted and saw father Yahweh while he lived as one of the eloahi and an archangel in the heavens. It was only after Yahushua was resurrected and quickened that he ascended again to see father Yahweh and sit at his right hand (John 20:17; Heb. 8:1).

That Yahushua came out of heaven is also testified to by Paul. He writes:

So also it has been written, the first man, Adam, was made into a living nephesh; the last Adam into a quickening ruach. But the ruach (man) was not first, but the nephesh (man), then the ruach (man): the first man out of the earth, made of dust; the second man, the sovereign, OUT OF HEAVEN. Such as he made of dust, such also are those made of dust; and such as the heavenly, such also the heavenly. (1 Corinthians 15:45-49)

This passage shows that Yahushua came out of heaven to become a man. Yahu Yahweh’s eloah or ruach angel form was altered into that of a human being. Paul writes:

For let this mind be in you which is also in the messiah Yahushua; who, in the form of θεοῦ (theou; a deity) subsisting, esteemed it not a thing to be grasped to be like θεῷ; (theo = father Yahweh); but EMPTIED HIMSELF, A BONDMAN’S FORM HAVING TAKEN, IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN HAVING BECOME; and in figure having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death, even death of the (torture-) stake. (Philippians 2:5-8)

By saying that Yahushua had emptied himself and took on a form in the likeness of men, we have here a clear statement that Yahushua preexisted in a different form and then was altered to become a fleshly man. This point is reinforced by the apostle John, who states:

And the logos (innermost expression, word) BECAME FLESH, and tabernacled among us, and we discerned his glory, a glory as a μονογενοῦς (monogenous; united, beloved one) with the father, full of grace and truth. John witnesses concerning him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, HE WHO AFTER ME COMES HAS PRECEDENCE OF ME, FOR HE WAS BEFORE ME. (John 1:14-18)

Paul notes that the “deity (father Yahweh), having sent his own son, in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the requirement of the Torah should be fulfilled in us, who not according to flesh walk, but according to ruach (Rom. 8:3-4).” A Psalm predicts that one of the eloahim, called the son of Adam (being the messiah), would be made into a fleshly man.

What is a male that you remember him, and the son of Adam that you visit him? And you made him lack a little from eloahim (angels, see Heb. 2:7-8); and glory and honor have crowned him. You made him rule over the works of your hands; you have put all under his feet. (Ps. 8:5-6)

According to the epistles of Paul, this passage refers to the messiah, the son of man, who was made a little lacking from angels, then later raised to a high position over the works of Yahweh (Heb. 2:5-9; 1 Cor. 15:24-28; Eph. 1:20-23).

7. Ancestor of King David
Yahushua was both the ancestor and a descendant of King David. In the book of Revelation, for example, the messiah states:

I am the root and the offspring of David. (Rev. 22:16)

This statement brings together the fact that Yahushua was both the ancestor of David (i.e., Adam, the ancestor of David, was the son of Yahweh eloahi; Luke 3:31-37) as well as David’s offspring (Luke 3:23-31).

This circumstance is true only if Yahu Yahweh (preexistent Yahushua) was Yahweh the creator who was later joined with the egg of Mariam, the descendant of David, to become Yahushua the messiah.

As another example, while teaching at the Temple in Jerusalem, Yahushua answered a question from the Jewish Pharisees—the response being in front of a large crowd. During this conversation, Yahushua asked the Pharisees, “What do you think concerning the messiah? Whose son is he?” They responded, “David’s.” Yahushua (speaking Hebrew) then inquired of them about the puzzle their answer created. Quoting Psalm 110:1, Yahushua asked them:

How then does David in the ruach call him אדני (adeni; my foundation)? (see FSDY, App. H), saying, “A declaration of יהוה (Yahweh) to אדני (adeni; my foundation), Sit at my right hand until I set your enemies as a stool for your feet.” If therefore David (who wrote the Psalm) calls him אדני (adeni; my foundation), how can he be his son? (Matthew 22:44; quoting Psalm 110:1)

None of his opposition was able to solve the riddle. Yet the answer is obvious: Yahushua preexisted as Yahu Yahweh, one of the eloahi who created Adam—i.e., Yahu Yahweh was the progenitor and foundation of Adam, the ancestor of David. Simply put, Yahushua was the progenitor and also the descendant of King David.

8. Gave Covenants of Promise to Abraham
Yahushua died in order to pass on an inheritance left in a covenant-Will that Yahu Yahweh (the preexistent Yahushua; angel Yahweh) made with Abraham. Paul wrote of this inheritance:

For if THE INHERITANCE be of the law, it is no more of promise: but THE DEITY GAVE IT TO ABRAHAM BY PROMISE. (Gal. 3:18)

Importantly, as the book of Hebrews points out, for this inheritance to be of any value, the one making the will must first die:

And for this reason he (Yahushua) is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions of the first covenant (i.e., the Old Covenant or Torah of Moses), the PROMISE OF THE ETERNAL INHERITANCE they who have been called might receive. For where there is a διαθήκη (diatheke; COVENANT-WILL) IT IS NECESSARY FOR THE DEATH OF THE TESTATOR TO COME ABOUT. (Heb. 9:15-18)

It is therefore manifest that the angel Yahweh (preexistent Yahushua) who left Abraham the “covenant-Will” had to die, otherwise the promised inheritance is of no value. Also, the angel Yahweh could not sin, otherwise he would be eliminated from receiving the inheritance that was promised to the singular seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16). By Yahu Yahweh becoming the human, Yahushua, he became mortal, and by dying without sinning, he could receive and then share this Eternal Inheritance.

A more detailed explanation is as follows. Upon resurrection from the dead, as a descendant (seed) of Abraham, Yahushua could receive the inheritance back to himself. With ownership of the inheritance, he is capable of sharing the Eternal Inheritance by gift (grace) with those whom he deems worthy. Of course he has promised to share this inheritance with Abraham and all those who become the children of Abraham (Gal. 3:6-7).

The very fact that Yahushua died in order to pass on an inheritance left by Yahweh eloahi in the Covenants of Promise to Abraham proves that Yahushua preexisted as one of the eloahi named Yahweh (more specifically, Yahu Yahweh). As a result, it was the preexistent Yahushua the messiah (Yahu Yahweh) who personally knew Abraham and left the promise of an inheritance to Abraham and his singular seed (Yahushua).

If Yahushua was not “the angel of the covenant,” as he is called in Malachi (Mal. 3:1), i.e., one of the eloahi named Yahweh who promised the inheritance to Abraham, then his death was meaningless. For if the Yahweh who gave the Abrahamic Covenant did not die then no one can ever receive any of the Eternal Inheritance which includes eternal life. The plan works only if Yahushua preexisted as Yahu Yahweh, the testator of the covenant-Will.

When all the evidence from Scriptures is considered, there can be no doubt that Yahushua the messiah preexisted as a deity (divine being), the son of the deity, father Yahweh.

Furthermore, Yahushua was Yahu Yahweh, one of the angels or more specifically archangels, known as the “angel Yahweh” thereby making him part of Yahweh eloahi.

It was this deity and angel (Yahu Yahweh), the son of the father deity (Yahweh), who as part of the eloahi left a last will and testament granting the Eternal Inheritance to Abraham and his singular seed (Yahushua the messiah) (Gal. 3:16).

Furthermore, it was this particular Yahweh, Yahu Yahweh, the son of the deity, who became a flesh-and-blood human and died as a son of Adam in order to both pass on the Eternal Inheritance and to receive it again unto himself, being the only human heir to qualify by not sinning under the Torah of Trust and the Torah of Moses (the Law).

More Information
For more information regarding Yahu Yahweh see Chaper IX of the The Sacred Name Yahweh by Qadesh La Yahweh Press.

For an in-depth discussion of “The Eternal Inheritance” and “The Torah” see Chapters I-VII of The Festivals and Sacred Days of Yahweh, also by Qadesh La Yahweh Press.

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  1. #1 by Nightingale on 08/26/2012 - 6:37 am

    I’ll need to think more about this information. It’s presented well. Although seeing messiah as someone created is new for me.

  2. #2 by kittycat77 on 09/07/2012 - 12:21 pm

    Maybe Yahu Ranger will do some more studies on this.

  3. #3 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/26/2012 - 6:22 pm

    Could you kindly answer me a question:
    Malakhi/Angelos meaning messenger. Any spiritual being carrying a message could be said to be a Malach. So the term “angel” is not he best word to define a spiritual being. Now the term “archangel” is one used to discern a status within this class of messengers. Archangel; which is derive from the Koine Greek, simply means chief angel. There is only one archangel mention in the scriptures; without mentioning the apocrypha’s, would you agreed?! This been the archangel called Michael. Satan is never call an archangel in the scriptures remember that. So by the extension of the logic it follows that you are talking about Michael the ArchAngel. Is this correct?

    • #4 by Yahu Ranger on 12/27/2012 - 8:53 am

      Hi Teddy,

      In reality, the angel identified as having the name Yahweh, more specifically Yahu Yahweh, in Scriptures is one and the same as the archangel Michael.

      Therefore the answer is yes regarding who is being talked about.

  4. #5 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/27/2012 - 5:31 pm

    Sir Ranger:
    Thank, for your honest response. Could I also safely assume that your are using the following scriptures to backed up: 1Th 4:16 , Dan 10:13 -10:21 & 12:1. Please let me know otherwise. I will proceed to discuss what I consider the two main contenders…
    First. v1Th 4:16 “because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures – let me know if this translation is not of your liking -JW) It simply states that the Eloah will transport himself from the third heaven to our earthly realm with a voice sounding like an archangel while Eloahim trumpets are playing. This is like me saying: The scoutmaster will be the one sounding like a Sargent. Does this makes the scoutmaster a soldier? I think not. If this would be the case then Yahu Yahweh would also be one of God’s trumpet!? Quite a stretch don’t you think.
    Second. Dan12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince(H8323) which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” (KJV. For Dan 10:13 & 21 we could use the same explanation) Here is what the Strong’s concordance says here From H8323; a head person (of any rank or class): – captain (that had rule), chief (captain), general, governor, keeper, lord, ([-task-]) master, prince (-ipal), ruler, steward. Instead of prince use “keeper” or “steward” and we should be closer as to the proper usage meant by the writer ( a chief helper of mankind – Remember the angel where very interested in man (see 1Pet 1:12, Psalm 34:7, 35:5-6 & 91:11). Still their is no direct connection/link between Yahu Yahweh and Michael. I think this would be another stretch.
    That been said; could you answer me one last question? In the book of Hebrews 1:4 “So He has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent that theirs. 5 ” For example, to which one of the angels did He ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your Father”?… There is only one possible answer and please remember that Michael the archangel is also an angel. Pretty much like a Sargent is a soldier. One last statement… Yahu Yahweh was the creator of all the angels. Joh 1:3 “All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.”

    May Yahweh bless you. Mal 3:16

    • #6 by Yahu Ranger on 12/28/2012 - 8:38 am

      Hi Teddy,

      The subject matter that you are delving into can be rather complicated and not easily answered with just a few verses from Scriptures. In order to adequately address your concerns it is imperative that you understand the concept of “Yahweh eloahi.” My suggestion for you regarding this issue is at the end of this response.

      If you are bothered by the idea that angel (messenger) Yahweh could in fact be the archangel Michael I will utilize an excerpt from a previous post “Yahweh Eloahi-Part 3.”

      “Our final example is found in Deuteronomy which discusses the death and burial of Moses in a valley in Moab:

      And Moses, the servant of Yahweh, died there in the land of Moab, according to the mouth of Yahweh, and HE BURIED HIM (Moses) in the valley opposite Beth-peor. And no male knows his place of burial until this day. (Deuteronomy 34:5-6)

      In this story, “he (Yahweh) buried” Moses in secret. The New Jerusalem Bible correctly identifies “he” as “i.e. Yahweh (p. 269, n. 34 e).” Using a substitution for the sacred name Yahweh, James Moffatt renders these words “the Eternal buried him,” while the Linsdell Study Bible has “The Lord buried him.”

      The ancient Samaritan Pentateuch, meanwhile, states “they” buried Moses.

      The LXX versions, likewise, writes, “και ἔθαψαν αὐτὸν (kai ethapsan auton; and THEY buried him (LXX Deut. 34:6).”

      These translators recognized the fact that there was more than one Yahweh present. What strikes our interest is the fact that father Yahweh could not have been present at the burial. To do so would have destroyed the body of Moses.

      Also, what is quite interesting are the associated details of this story as found in the book of Jude:

      Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the διαβόλῳ (diabolõ; devil, slanderer) he disputed about the body of Moses, dare not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, Yahweh rebuke you. (Jude 1:9)”

      Now is the time . . .”

      It seems that you are perceptive enough to recognize the implications. (That is a compliment.)

      Lastly, I believe most if not all of your questions can be answered by reviewing my previous posts especially “Yahweh Eloahi” Parts 1-3, “Yahweh or Yahwehs” Parts 1-3.

      Yahweh be with you.

  5. #7 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/28/2012 - 6:13 pm

    Sir Ranger:
    Thanks. don’t worry I have a tough skin when it comes to compliments ( tongue-in-cheek )
    I am glad that you brought up Jud 1:9. Now concerning Deu 34:5-6: Have you ever heard that Rockefeller build the GE Building. Now, do you really believe that! To be real accurate I would rather say that he (J. D. Rockefeller) commission the building of the GE Bldng. But we in the English language slander all sense of logic and say that he build it. Not that He (Yahu Yahweh) could not accomplish such a task (burying Mosheh that is). Well the Hebrew language also takes also all kind of figurative speech as the one just mention. Well after the archangel Michael was left to accomplish the task-at-hand guess who reel-in his ugly head (this is also a figurative speech)?
    Now lets go back to Jud 1:9: so you are telling me that Michael dare not rebuke the devil. If you would have read the scriptures (I know you have-it is a figurative speech) you would have notice that not a single angel ever dare rebuke an individual*. But that doesn’t sound like the Yahu Yahweh that I know! Let me explain what I mean…
    In Mat 4:4, 4:7 & 4:10 are Yahushuah’s rebukes to Satan. (same guy as the devil-I am pretty sure we agree on that.)
    I find it kind-of-funny; how people accept, that the same entity that rebukes him in the flesh does not dare to do it… while in the spirit form. It puzzles me to no return!
    Any other passages from the scriptures that could enlightened me will be greatly appreciated.
    I do understand what an eloah is {Yahu Yahweh}. Also the plural Eloahim(Creator, Heavenly Father). By the way, these are consider archaic forms of the term Elohim. Two separate entities (of the eloah class) but one in purpose. “The Logo was an eloah” John 1:1 Sahidic Coptic
    * At least I have not found one instance.
    May Ha_shem keep you in his book of the living. Hos 2:16

    • #8 by Yahu Ranger on 12/29/2012 - 7:45 am

      Hi Teddy,

      I must point out that you are mistaken by interpreting the event in Matthew as a rebuke from Yahushua. If you compare the events in Matthew and Jude you will notice the difference in the conversation. I will demonstrate.

      In Matthew the confrontation between the two consists of a series of scriptural references as responses. Then in Matt 4:10 Yahushua gives his final reply:

      Then Yahushua said to him, “Begone, Satan! for it is written, ‘You shall worship Yahweh your eloahi and him only shall you serve.’” (Matt. 4:10: from Deut 6:13-14)

      The reply “begone” is not a rebuke. It simply means “go away.”

      The Greek word used is ὕπαγε (hupage). Strong’s #5217. ὑπάγω hupago, hoop-ag´-o; from 5259 and 71; to lead (oneself) under, i.e. withdraw or retire (as if sinking out of sight), literally or figuratively: — depart, get hence, go (a-)way.

      Of course we do also realize that Yahushua is in his lesser form of a human when he is being tempted.

      When we take a look at the event in Jude we have a completely different situation.

      There are two ruach beings arguing over the body of Moses. First of all, you might want to ask, Why would they be having this debate in the first place? The point being that this would, at minimum, indicate that they both had the authority to do so. (More implications.)

      Here is how the translation from the Amplfied Bible has it:

      But when [even] the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, judicially argued (disputed) about the body of Moses, he dared not [presume to] bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, Yahweh rebuke you! (Jude 1:9; from Zech. 3:2)

      Notice that Yahushua “dared not” bring an “abusive condemnation” toward the devil but he, in fact, quoted from Scriptures for his response which the book of Zechariah indicates that it is father Yahweh that rebukes the devil. This circumstance also indicates that in order to rebuke someone you must have higher authority over the person you intend to rebuke. (More implications)

      The Greek word used for “dare not” is ἐτόλμησεν (etolmesen). Stong’s #5111. τολμάω tolmao, tol-mah´-o; from τόλμα tolma (boldness; probably itself from the base of 5056 through the idea of extreme conduct); to venture (objectively or in act; while 2292 is rather subjective or in feeling); by implication, to be courageous: — be bold, boldly, dare, durst.

      The Greek word for “abusive” is βλασφημίας (blasphemies). Strong’s #988. βλασφημία blasphemia, blas-fay-me´-ah; from 989; vilification (especially against God): — blasphemy, evil speaking, railing.

      The Greek word for “condemnation” is κρίσιν (krisin). Strong’s #2920. κρίσις krisis, kree´-sis; decision (subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension, a tribunal; by implication, justice (especially, divine law): — accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.

      As you can tell there is a great difference between telling someone to “go away” and saying words to bring “condemnation.”

      To add more intrigue to the story in Jude, as noted above, Yahushua quoted from the book of Zechariah.

      Then he showed me Yahushua the high priest standing before the angel Yahweh, and Satan standing at his right hand to accuse him. And Yahweh said to Satan, “Yahweh rebuke you, O Satan! Yahweh who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is not this a brand plucked from the fire?” (Zech. 3:1-2)

      Once you decipher who the personages are who are involved in the discussion, it is rather interesting indeed.

      Keep up the good work Teddy.

      By the way, it is okay to use the name Yahweh.

      Yahweh be with you.

  6. #9 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/30/2012 - 5:14 am

    The Scriptures ISR 1998
    2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed by Elohim and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness,
    2Ti 3:17 that the man of Elohim might be fitted, equipped for every good work.

    Sir Ranger:
    Ha_shem; old habits die hard!
    Epitimaō; in Koine Greek also has other meanings. Here is an expanded list
    1- to admonish or charge sharply
    2- to tax with fault, rate,chide, reprove, & censure severely
    3- to adjudge, award, in the sense of merited penalty
    4- to raise the price of.
    While the Hebrew equivalent for rebuke is yakach. Here is the list
    1-to correct
    2- to reprove, chide
    3- to show to be right, prove
    4- to decide, judge
    5- to convince, convict
    6-to adjudge, appoint
    I think that to every statement Satan makes Yahushuash severely censures him severely. Or like we say in our vernacular language “set-him-straight”
    In Mat 4:4…
    1-Satan said:
    “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”
    Yahushuah rebukes him:
    “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.’ ” Det 8:3
    In Mat 4:7…
    2-Satan said:
    “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”
    Yahushuah rebukes him a second time with:
    “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try יהוה your Elohim.’ ” Det 6:1 6
    And in Mat 4:10…
    3-Satan said:
    “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”
    Yahuhuah rebukes him one last time:
    “It has been written, ‘You shall worship יהוה your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’ ” Det 6:13
    Satan has been censure and corrected by Yahushuah in these passages. Believe me there is no higher authority than the Word of Yahweh.
    Mikael’s statement; in Jud 1:9, over the dispute of Mosheh body could not be a consider a rebuke (even if it is quote from Zec 3: 1-2) since the statement defers it to Yahweh.
    Please notice that Mikael was quoting from one of the lesser prophets, while Yahushuah was quoting from the Debarim scrolls (Mishneh ha_torah) and in do in so he was passing judgment on Satan.

    Now answer me why does Paul keeps rephrasing this question:
    Heb 1:13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?
    There is only one correct answer and it is “none” . Any other answer would make this previous statement null and void: Hebrews 1:4 “So He has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent that theirs.”

    One last mention; notice what it says in:

    1Co 10:1 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brothers, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
    1Co 10:2 and all were immersed into Mosheh in the cloud and in the sea,
    1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food,
    1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed, and the Rock was Messiah.

    We can all agree that this is the Meshiak we are talking about.

    Now on:
    Exo 14:19 And the Messenger of Elohim, who went before the camp of Yisra’ĕl, moved and went behind them. And the column of cloud went from before them and stood behind them,
    Here the angel of Yahweh is mention. These two items are talking about the same thing: the Exodus of the Hebrew people. Too most people these would seem to confirm that both are the same entities. But, please, lets read with comprehension. They are really talking about two different entities. Let me explain: see what it says in 1Cor 10:4. Yau Yahweh is following (that followed) the Hebrew people; while the angel of Yahweh is in the front (went before). Look how it reaffirms it with the second sentence “And the column of cloud went from before them and stood behind them” . The angel of Yahweh place was in the front. While Paul makes absolutely clear that the position of Yahu was in following (rear)the Hebrew people. You see for my people there always has been a big difference between a column of cloud and the Shekinah light. I’ll let you figure out which is the “angel of Yahweh” and which is Yahu Yahweh.

    May Ha_Shem (sorry; there I go again) bless, protect & guide you. Tehillim 43:1-5

    • #10 by Yahu Ranger on 12/30/2012 - 4:27 pm

      Hi Teddy,

      Regarding 2 Timothy, I couldn’t agree with you more.

      With that said, it seems you are interpreting Scriptures to agree with your premise.

      When I demonstrated that the Greek word ὕπαγε (hupage) in the Matthew event simply means “go away,” you then then switched to the word ἐπιτιμήσαι (epitimesai) contained in Jude 1:9. These two words have nothing to do with each other.

      Strongs #2008. ἐπιτιμάω epitimao, ep-ee-tee-mah´-o; from 1909 and 5091; to tax upon, i.e. censure or admonish; by implication, forbid: — (straitly) charge, rebuke.

      We have no disagreement for the meaning of epitimesai which is “to rebuke.”

      What you seem to not grasp is the fact that the archangel Michael did not directly rebuke the devil but quoted from Deut. 6:13-14 which states that Yahweh is to rebuke the devil. Yahweh, of course, is Yahweh the father.

      After you realized that your argument of “rebuke” fell short for Matthew 4:1-11 you then proceeded to reinterpret the responses given by Yahushua to become rebukes by inferring that the word epitimao from Jude 1:9 had some connection.

      You then tried to justify your position by comparing the books of Scriptures as if one is better than the other which directly contradicts your opening statement of 2 Tim. 3:16-17 saying that ALL Scripture is valid for teaching, reproof, etc.

      Additionally, according to the non-Greek texts of Matthew, the Aramaic Peshitta and Hebrew DuTillet, the equivalent Hebrew word for the Greek ὕπαγε (hupage) is לך from הָלַךְ (halak).

      Strong’s 1980. halak, haw-lak´; akin to 3212; a primitive root; to walk (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively):—(all) along, apace, behave (self), come, (on) continually, be conversant, depart, + be eased, enter, exercise (self), + follow, forth, forward, get, go (about, abroad, along, away, forward, on, out, up and down), + greater, grow, be wont to haunt, lead, march, x more and more, move (self), needs, on, pass (away), be at the point, quite, run (along), + send, speedily, spread, still, surely, + tale-bearer, + travel(-ler), walk (abroad, on, to and fro, up and down, to places), wander, wax, (way-)faring man, x be weak, whirl.

      All English translations give the meaning as simply “go away.”

      Therefore your interpretation of the meaning of Matthew 4:1-11 has no merit.

      We will now move on to Hebrews 1:13. You must realize you are entering more complicated territory.

      In order to understand the book of Hebrews it is necessary that one comprehends the concept of the eternal “inheritance.” This would entail many pages of explanation of which is not possible to do at this time.

      Also, in order to grasp the meaning of Heb. 1:13 it requires an understanding of the first three chapters of Hebrews. I do not doubt that you, in fact, do believe that you grasp the meaning

      Without going into the full and necessary discussion I will extract some pertinent verses which will help explain the verse at question.

      First of all, I would emphatically disagree with your interpretation of Heb. 1:13. Let us take a look at the context.

      Heb. 1:1 In many and various ways the deity (father Yahweh) spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets;
      Heb. 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son (Yahushua), whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

      Questions: What was the son’s name before he became a human? How did he become an heir? Did the Son create the world before becoming a man.

      Heb. 1:3 He (Yahushua) reflects the glory of the deity (father Yahweh) and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he (Yahushua) had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high (father Yahweh),

      Heb. 1:4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs.

      Here is the key. Yahushua became much superior to angels because he has obtained a more excellent name than the angels. According to Scriptures there is no higher name than the name Yahweh. It is now more excellent because he inherited the name Yahweh after his resurrection and can no longer lose it by becoming an eternal being. Angels do not have this privilege at this time. (More complications)

      According to Ephesians do not all created beings have the name Yahweh?

      Eph. 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our sovereign Yahushua messiah,
      Eph. 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named. (The name Yahweh.)

      At this point it is imperative to understand the concept of the “inheritance” and Yahushua being an “heir” along with everyone else being “joint-heirs.” (More complications.)

      Heb. 1:5 For to what angel did the deity (father Yahweh) ever say, “Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?
      Heb. 1:6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, “Let all the deity’s (father Yahweh’s) angels worship him (Yahushua).”

      There is no doubt that it is the preexistent Yahushua that had a name other than his earthly name Yahushua who is being addressed. We have two passages being quoted from the OT.

      2Sam. 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men.

      Psa. 2:7 I will declare the decree: Yahweh hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

      The day that is being referred to is when Yahushua became the firstborn from the dead by being resurrected.

      Col. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the assembly: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

      Continuing in Hebrews.

      Heb. 1:6 And again, when he brings the first-born (Yahushua) into the world, he says, “Let all the deity’s angels worship him.”
      Heb. 1:7 Of the angels he says, “Who makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire.” (Psalm 104:4)

      Skipping ahead.

      Heb. 1:13 But to what angel has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet”?

      This is a direct quote from Psalms.

      Psa. 110:1 Yahweh said to my adeni (foundation; Yahu Yahweh; Yahushua), Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.

      Now let’s take a look at Matthew 22:41-46

      Matt. 22:41 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Yahushua asked them a question,
      Matt. 22:42 saying, “What do you think of the messiah? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.”
      Matt. 22:43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, inspired by the Spirit, calls him sovereign (foundation), saying,
      Matt. 22:44 ‘Yahweh said to my adeni (foundation; Yahu Yahweh; Yahushua), Sit at my right hand, till I put thy enemies under thy feet?
      Matt. 22:45 If David thus calls him sovereign (foundation), how is he his son?”
      Matt. 22:46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did any one dare to ask him any more questions.

      When did father Yahweh set Yahushua at his right hand?

      1Pet. 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to the deity for a clear conscience, through the RESURRRECTION OF YAHUSHUA MESSIAH,
      1Pet. 3:22 who has gone into heaven and IS AT THE RIGHT HAND of the deity (father Yahweh), with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

      Back to Hebrews.

      Heb. 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits (angels) sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?
      Heb. 2:1 Therefore we must pay the closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
      Heb. 2:2 For if the message declared by angels was valid and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,
      Heb. 2:3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the sovereign (Yahushua), and it was attested to us by those who heard him,
      Heb. 2:4 while the deity (father Yahweh) also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.

      Heb. 2:5 For it was not to angels that the deity (father Yahweh) subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.

      As we know it was to Yahushua that the world to come was to be subjected. Yahushua, who was an archangel and a human, became a new creature upon his resurrection from the dead.

      1Cor. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
      1Cor. 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
      1Cor. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
      1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

      2Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in messiah, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (You become part of messiah’s body)

      Back to Hebrews.

      Heb. 2:6 It has been testified somewhere, “What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man, that thou carest for him?
      Heb. 2:7 Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honor,
      Heb. 2:8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.” Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control (Psalms 8:4-6). As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.
      Heb. 2:9 But we see Yahushua, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of the deity he might taste death for every one.

      At one point the preexistent Yahushua (archangel Yahweh; Yahu Yahweh; Michael) was higher than angels (he created them) and he then became lower than angels (when he became a man). I will demonstrate how the term angels only refers to those under the archangel Yahu Yahweh below and not the archangel Yahu Yahweh himself.

      Heb. 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.
      Heb. 2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified have all one origin. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brethren.

      Heb. 2:12 saying, “I will proclaim thy name to my brethren, in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee.” (Psalm 22:22)
      Heb. 2:13 And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Here am I, and the children Yahweh has given me.” (Isa. 8:17-18)

      Heb. 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
      Heb. 2:15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage.

      Heb. 2:16 For surely it is not with angels that he (father Yahweh) is concerned but with the descendants of Abraham.

      In other words the archangel Yahu Yahweh became a descendant (Yahushua) of Abraham who inherited all things and will share that inheritance with Abraham and his multiple seed (the elect) and the rest of mankind via adoption. (More complications.)

      Gal. 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

      Rom. 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
      Rom. 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of the deity:
      Rom. 8:17 And IF CHILDREN, then HEIRS; HEIRS OF THE DEITY, and JOINT-HEIRS WITH MESSIAH; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

      Again, it is imperative that one understands the full concept to the mechanism of the eternal inheritance, Abraham’s singular seed, multiple seed, joint-heirship, etc. This subject is too detailed to be discussed at this time.

      Heb. 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of the deity, to make expiation for the sins of the people.
      Heb. 2:18 For because he himself has suffered and been tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.

      Skipping to the following verses. Also, notice the parallel verses from the OT.

      Heb. 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, “Today, when you hear his voice,
      Psa. 95:7 For he (archangel Yahu Yahweh) is our eloahi; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

      Heb. 3:8 do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, on the day of testing in the wilderness,
      Psa. 95:8 Harden not your hearts, as at Meribah, as on the day at Massah in the wilderness,

      Heb. 3:9 where your fathers put me (archangel Yahu Yahweh) to the test and saw my works for forty years.
      Psa. 95:9 when your fathers tested me (archangel Yahu Yahweh), and put me to the proof, though they had seen my work.
      Heb. 3:10 Therefore I (archangel Yahu Yahweh) was provoked with that generation, and said, ‘They always go astray in their hearts; they have not known my ways.’
      Psa. 95:10 For forty years I (archangel Yahu Yahweh) loathed that generation and said, “They are a people who err in heart, and they do not regard my ways.”

      Heb. 3:11 As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’”
      Psa. 95:11 Therefore I (archangel Yahu Yahweh) swore in my anger that they should not enter my rest.

      This should be enough for now to demonstrate how context determines the usage of the term angel and angel how it should be understood.

      Therefore it is necessary to define who Yahushua was before he became a human and what his name was which he never lost until he died. (Regained after resurrection via inheritance as mentioned above.)

      You will have to address the issue of the angel known by the name Yahweh who appeared to Abraham and Moses who had the name Yahweh. This angel identifies himself as the eloahi of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

      There is much to understand regarding the more complex issues of which it is not expedient to discuss presently. I would refer you to the three posts titled Yahweh Eloahi for more details.

      In conclusion, I would agree that there was no angel, under the rank and authority of the preexistent Yahushua, who father Yahweh said “Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet”

      Next, you have introduced the cloud per the event in Exodus. Not a problem Teddy for I have discerned long ago the fact of two pillars being present during the Exodus.

      One of the pillars is described as a cloud and another as a pillar of fire.

      And they (the Israelites) pulled up from Succoth, and they camped at Etham on the edge of the wilderness. And Yahweh was going before them, by day in a PILLAR OF CLOUD, to lead the way, AND by night in a PILLAR OF FIRE, to give them light—for going by day and by night. And the PILLAR OF CLOUD did not cease by day AND the PILLAR OF FIRE (did not cease) by night before the face of the people. (Exodus 13:20-22)

      Here we have the statement that Yahweh was in both!

      This was a fact that was also recognized by the ancient Jewish priest and writer Philo. He states:

      Perhaps indeed there was enclosed within the cloud one of the lieutenants of the great King, an unseen angel, a forerunner on whom the eyes of the body were not permitted to look. (Philo, Moses, 1:29)

      Notice that Philo recognizes there is more than one lieutenant as he uses the plural lieutenants. He readily identifies this one lieutenant in the pillar of cloud as an angel.

      Moses makes reference to the angel in the pillar of fire:

      And the ANGEL OF THE ELOAHIM pulled up, THE ONE walking to the face of the camp of Israel, and he walked behind them. AND the pillar of cloud pulled up from the face of them, and IT/HE stood behind them. And IT/HE came between the camp of Egypt and the camp of Israel; and יהי הענן והחשך (ye-ahy ha-anan ha-khoshek; IT/HE was the cloud and the darkness). And יאר (ye-aur; IT/He [the eloahi] lit up) the night. (Exodus 14:19-20)

      According to this passage, first the angel of eloahim that had been walking in front of the Israelite camp moved to the rear; then the pillar of cloud pulled up from the front and stood behind them.

      Because Yahweh eloahi is akhad, the prefix י (ye) as found in יהי (ye-ahy; IT/HE WAS) the cloud and the darkness” and יאר (ye-aur; HE/IT [the eloahi] LIT UP) the night,” is used but is understood as reflecting a collective noun containing “they” (the eloahi).

      Therefore, an angel of eloahim was in the pillar of fire, also described as “a darkness,” i.e., gloom, dark smoke, while the other angel was one of father Yahweh’s “lieutenants,” as Philo calls him, who stayed inside the pillar of cloud.

      Philo also implies that if the being in the pillar of cloud was one of the lieutenants, there exists yet at least one more lieutenant. Both pillars took up their positions behind the Israelites in order to keep the Egyptians from attacking.

      You might note that according to Exodus 13:20-22, Yahweh was in both pillars.

      Surely it is easy to identify what pillar that Yahu Yahweh occupied. What is even more interesting is to identify what other lieutenant or angel occupied the pillar of fire. I suppose I just gave you the answer. LOL

      The ante-Nicaean Christian writer Eusebius also points out the difference between the two pillars, noting that an angel occupied the pillar of fire while the cloud was inhabited by our sovereign, the angel Yahu Yahweh. He writes:

      It is equally clear in its DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ANGEL AND THE SOVEREIGN (Yahushua the messiah) in the account of what happened at the Red Sea, where it says: “And the angel of the sovereign that went before the children of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud ALSO removed from before them.” (Eusebus, Demonstratio Evangelica 5:11)

      That is enough for now. There is much more but it is best we close the discussion for it gets much more complicated and intriguing.

      In regard to the pillars of cloud and fire and another event containing a duality, I will leave you some food for thought.

      Gen. 15:17 When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a SMOKING FIRE POT AND A FLAMING TORCH passed between these pieces.
      Gen. 15:18 On that day YAHWEH MADE A COVENANT WITH ABRAM, saying, “To your seed (LXX: spermati, single seed; Yahushua) I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.

      Could it be that Yahu Yahweh was within the smoking fire pot or the flaming torch? If so, which one? Then who was in the other one? No doubt, someone named Yahweh passed through the pieces and made a covenant with Abram.

      If Yahu Yahweh was making a covenant with Abram to give land to his singular seed, Yahushua, was he in fact giving it to himself? (More complications.)

      The answer is easy when one has a proper understanding of the eternal inheritance along with angels, archangels, eloahi, eloahim, and Yahweh eloahi.

      Also, old habits are sometimes meant to be broken for a good cause.

      Yahweh be with you.

  7. #11 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/31/2012 - 8:50 am

    Dear Ranger:
    It seems to me you keep gyrating to the the word ὕπαγε (hupage) = “go away”. [Mat 4:10] Only the first portion of the statement! Something which I never contradicted/contested. It seems to me that you are using it as a request that Yahushuah made to Satan and not as a command. I think if you gave it further though you would agree that the later is the correct one. Or maybe that’s what you were already trying to tell me.Mea Culpa.
    Another contending point that I was trying to make…

    “Please notice that Mikael was quoting from one of the lesser prophets, while Yahushuah was quoting from the Debarim scrolls (Mishneh ha_torah) and in do in so he was passing judgment on Satan.”

    With the above statement I was hoping that you would realize that if Mikael and the “angel of Yahweh” [Yahweh called him also “My angel”] where the same; he then was quoting from himself. Not a logical thing to do. Mikael never rebuked Satan. Angels never do. Remember he quote from the scrolls of Zec. by the default in your logic.That is… if: Mikael, “My angel” and Yahu Yahweh were one and the same. [It sounds to me pretty much like the trinity. Not that your are implying that.] The Second portion of the statement: by using the term Mishneh ha_torah I was also hoping that you would realize the completed loop that Yashuah had made by quoting from the Torah. [The laws/teachings handed down by the angels from our Heavenly Father(point of origin)] These statements/rebukes had greater weigh than quoting from a lesser prophet (and/or himself). Also by doing it from the scrolls of Deuteronomy, Yahu was passing judgment on Satan. There is no doubt about that. So my initial premise still stands. All scriptures are(2Ti 3:16-17). Some have more weigh that others. Use discernment.
    ~In very simple terms the demeanor of Mikael and Yahu are are so far apart as the east is from the west. ~
    One minor point: A lesser entity can rebuke and/or pass judgment on a higher entity. Note that passing judgment and executing the judgment given are two different things; usually perform by different individuals at different times (the process of judging).

    It has not been my intent to ruffle any feathers, please, forgive me if I have.

    I think the habit of using Ha_shem is not a bad habit. Especially when used not_to_offend others. Ethical skills one quickly develops by leaving in a sephardic community.
    Hos 2:16 “And it shall be, in that day,” declares יהוה, “that you call Me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer call Me ‘My Baʽal.’

    May Ha_shem be with you also.


    • #12 by Yahu Ranger on 12/31/2012 - 2:41 pm

      Hi Teddy,

      Time to call this a wrap so to speak.

      Bottom line is that there was no direct rebuke from Yahu Yahweh or the archangel Michael in the books of Matthew and Jude toward the devil. Scriptures point to father Yahweh as the rebuker.

      I provided all the necessary Scriptures to prove the point without having to introduce any personal interpretations.

      All in all, we will just have to agree to disagree.

      No feathers ruffled at all.

      Using the sacred name Yahweh on the Yahu Ranger Report should not offend anyone visiting this blog. As you can tell I would encourage its use.

      If you have any misgivings or worries about using our father’s sacred name Yahweh then you might do well to heed the words of Jeremiah:

      Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with holding it in, and I could not do it.

      Hang in there Teddy.

      Yahweh be with you.

  8. #13 by Teddy W. Preston on 12/31/2012 - 9:57 am

    Please correct: Ethical skills one quickly develops by living in a sephardic community. Maybe a Freudian slip! Not easy, you know. People are set in their ways and you have to respect.

  9. #15 by ct on 06/11/2014 - 3:41 pm

    I guess I’m missing the whole question?????

  10. #16 by ct on 06/11/2014 - 3:45 pm

    I’m still not sure what the question is here……help with my lack of understanding.

    • #17 by Yahu Ranger on 06/13/2014 - 2:50 pm

      The question would be a reference to whether or not Yahushua the messiah preexisted as an archangel before he became a human being.

      • #18 by CT on 06/13/2014 - 7:19 pm

        It seems you’re trying to draw a conclusion that Michael and Yahushua were the same. If so, then there is no preexistence to be considered just another appearance in a different time and different place. If they are different, then they would seem to have different duties, functions and responsibilities. So, why would you want to draw a conclusion that the two might be one. What does that provide for understanding our standing with Yaweh?

      • #19 by Yahu Ranger on 06/14/2014 - 6:44 am

        Glad you asked.

        First of all, today there are certain Yahwehists that do not believe in the preexistence of Yahushua.

        For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yahushua messiah is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antimessiah. 2John 7

        Second, it is important to understand the purpose for Yahu Yahweh, the archangel, for becoming a human being.

        Therefore he (Yahu Yahweh, Yahushua) is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred which redeems them from the transgressions under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the testator must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the testator is alive. Hebrews 9:15-17

        So you need to figure out who promised stuff to Abraham and his singular seed via an eternal inheritance thereby assuring the death of the one who was giving the will (the testator). This will go a long way toward the beginning of one’s understanding their standing with Yahweh especially as it pertains to their salvation.

        Please refer to these two posts for more information:

        Grace. A Free Ticket? – Part 1
        Grace. A Free Ticket? – Part 2

      • #20 by terriblet2 on 06/22/2014 - 2:59 pm

        The anti-messiahs are a condition of how things are – we all have will, and have a choice. Being open to deception means you are not sure of what you believe. An opening to a deception that denies that which you believe is a detour and not a post-wondering toward understanding exactly what you believe. So, not a significant issue to consider.

        The arch-angel has no effect on the will as long as the being needing to direct will is free to do so and we all are without being “made or forced” to do so. The death of someone who has submitted to believing in the messiah is a death that allow them to live as a believer and not until. For example, you can’t live as one that believes in the messiah and be credited as being one who believes in the messiah if you really don’t believe and are just following traditions, practices or rules to get close to Yahweh.

        To close, it doesn’t matter who promised these things to Abraham. It was of Yahweh. What does matter is how Abraham and those after him tried to live based upon what was believed. Again, understanding does not get you close to Yahweh but when a person is ready to be drawn to Him, He will do the drawing and it is based upon His time and not the other’s knowledge of Him.

      • #21 by Yahu Ranger on 06/26/2014 - 4:00 pm

        In all honesty terrible2, I cannot respond as I have no idea what you are talking about.

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